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  If they made 14400k symbolic how many jws would start to claim to be anointed?

  by purrpurr in

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  since there's debate here about wether the literal interpretation of the 14400k could be changed to symbolic, i was thinking such an announcement would allow for any jw to claim to be going to heaven... in which case i wonder how many jws would suddenly claim to have "been called"?.

  i can think of many arrogant holier than thou types who would be jumping on that bandwagon immediately!

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  Ray Frankz

  There is no such thing as two separate classes of Christians.

  All christians are equal but some christians are more equal than others.
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  Doublethink

  by Ray Frankz in

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  2. bible

  hi guys, it's been a while since i've posted here.

  i've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on orwell's animal farm.

  (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm).

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  Bobcat, exactly that. It's impressive how it can be hard to see a truth after years hearing a lie.
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  Doublethink

  by Ray Frankz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi guys, it's been a while since i've posted here.

  i've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on orwell's animal farm.

  (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm).

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  hi guys, it's been a while since I've posted here. I've already made a topic making a comparison between the org and a totalitarian government based on Orwell's Animal Farm. (https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5699607742906368/christian-farm)

  Now, basing on another work of his, 1984, I noticed another comparison. In this novel, he tells us about how the totalitarian government of the story control the people with something called DOUBLETHINK that summarizing is "to keep two opposite and conflitant ideas on your mind and accept both of them." When I read the novel, I didnt really understand how it was possible, and I concluded that it wasn't. Well, this month, in the middle week meeting, we studied Matthew 24. I ran a search on google on the subject and I found an article (in portuguese) with a way more sofisticated and reasonable explanation of this.

  It said, in a not very long text, that Jesus was talking about TWO different happenings, 1) the destruction of Jerusalém and 2) the judgement day. It put very clear the differences:

  The destruction of jerusalém: There would be a signal like wars and diseases; the gospel woulbe be preached and it would occur in that generation.

  The judgement day: Nobody can know when is it, the christians should keep on the watch, the world would be proclaiming "peace", not "wars and diseases".

  In a few words: Jesus was telling very clearly WHEN Jerusalém would fall while hiding when the world would end. The point is, the JW are taught that He was talking all the time about the same event.

  So, it's clearly two different "days", with diffrerent, sometimes opposite characteristics. I think, how I never saw this before? I know the flaws of the org for a long time but I never had seen this. They teach two opposite ideas at the same time. It's the best example of Orwell's doublethink I can think of. Almost 8 million people have at this very moment these opposite ideas on their mind AND THEY ACCEPT BOTH. Creepy. Looks like Orwell was prophet after all.

  PS: Good news, after "great tribulation" I made clear to my parents and my girlfriend that the org is not holy and we can't trust it as we trust God. There's no talks about leaving yet, but these things take time. I think important to see now they questioning what they read and listen, and simply not doing things they understand as simply manmade rules.
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  Remark at memorial about growing annointed numbers

  by Gorbatchov in

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  don’t know if it was part of the script.. at the memorial the remark about growing annointed numbers including this numbers from 2015 to 2017 was made (from 13.000 to 18.000+).. reason for the growing numbers could be:.

  - feeling annointed because of former believe.

  - psychical reasons.

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  It's interesting that it was even mentioned in your KHs. Here the speaker didn't even start to talk about 'how many are still left'. It was a good speech, even though the Rutherfordisms were present.
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  Oh Happy Day- Cover - by Gerrit Losch feat. Pissed Samuel Herd

  by Ray Frankz in

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  thats my question.

  i mean because here in brazil there's a huge ban in any religious content that doesn't come from the gb, and that includes songs, of course.

  thus, it doesn't matter how beautiful or touching a gospel song is, you will never see a brazilian jw singing (not for real, in front of others) or even lesser quoting it.

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  Hi guys, I haven't posted here for a couple of months but I'm back now.

  I don't know if you have already watched the JW Broadcasting of December (it actually was the first of three parts of the annual meeting), but there was two things that called my attention.

  The most conspicuous one was Gerrit Losch starting his talk singing in the song's familiar melody "oh happy day...".

  Well, is this a big deal? thats my question. I mean because here in Brazil there's a huge ban in any religious content that doesn't come from the GB, and that includes songs, of course. Thus, it doesn't matter how beautiful or touching a gospel song is, you will never see a Brazilian JW singing (not for real, in front of others) or even lesser quoting it. I believe this song Oh Happy Day is a "religious" song, right? (When Jeeesus Washed..) So, I got really shocked when I saw him singing this phrase (one may say he didn't sing anything but at least it was a obvious reference). Until then, it was unthinkable for me to see an elder make a link to any famous religious song in a public talk, then I saw the GB member do it 'in front of the world'.

  My question is: Is it a taboo in the US too, to the point to hardcore JW get bothered when seeing this?

  To be honest, I actually liked that.

  The second point was: Samuel Herd was the "president"( I don't know how you call the guy who introduces the talks, here we call president) of the meeting. So, there was plenty of moments that he said things and the audience laughed a lot. I understood that they were jokes. What's the matter? Well, everybody laughed but him. Here kept his solid face all the time. I couldn't help to think he could not be joking at all. He could be just saying things for real and the audience was laughing because if they took it actually there would be tension.

  The first "joke-or-is-it" case was when he first said that the students had many good teachers in the course, and mentioned some of them. Then he said something about ones that wasn't so good as the teachers and mentioned himself. Everybody laughed, he didn't. My first impression was that he was making a public complain for the GB not to have assigned him to be a teacher in the course.

  The second case, that reinforced my impressions was: He was introducing (or was it in the end? anyway...) Gerrit Losch and said something like "Brother Losch is the oldest member of the GB". Allright, but then he adds this "He's the oldest because he has more time in the GB, not because of his age. The oldest member actually is me." Again, laughs from everywhere but his mouth. For me it was pretty clear that it was added by him. The script only told him to say that GL was the oldest, the rest was himself talking. Joining this two points and all the other "jokes" I believe that he was actually PISSED with something in the GB, maybe because they aren't giving him much publicy, and he (as an IMPERFECT human being) believes he deserves more recognition. If it is true, well, finally all the "publicity" they are gathering is paying off (In what other way would we get to know this issues if they didn't put this on the internet?)

  What do you think guys? Did you watch the JW BR of December? It's strange to say it here, but, I recommend. This month is hilarious.
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  2017 Service Year Report Worldwide - INDIVIDUALLY LISTED LANDS and COUNTRIES

  by darkspilver in

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  now available:.

  2017 service year report worldwide: table with individually listed lands and countries.

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  As a Brazilian, I'm ashamed. Holy shit how could we give birth to 224 new cong at this point of the history?

  You can see that, Brazil is the only land with more than 100 M population that has this rage of growth. I think the actual World headquarters of JWs are not in NY, but in Cesario Lange, SP.
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  “There’s nothing out there in the world for you...”

  by Jules Saturn in

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  how would you guys react if or when you were told this phrase by a jw while having a conversation?

  another phrase is “this world...” or “this system, like gum will chew you up and when it’s done with you, spit you right back out.”.

  one i’ve been personally told was from a convert that had told me “whenever i speak to young ones that want to know if the grass is greener on the other side, i tell them i was a part of it.

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  It's a total inversion. IF they want to make a direct comparison, the org should be the building, so the people could be in or out the building. You decide if it's on fire or not...
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  This week's "Give Us Your Money" meeting item.

  by freddo in

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  if you went to it, (or go later this week) how was it handled?

  just the video or some commentary too?.

  i have heard of a few negative comments from some that attended - one jw even openly said to me "not very encouraging, all they go on about is money lately" and another (a serving elder, no less) said "someone's got to pay for all those lawsuits".

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  Really? All they do lately is beg for money

  They go even further and quote this same article and in the end of the meeting there's a letter asking for money and nobody seems to notice the hypocrisy, it happened some months ago in my KH.
  
  
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  This week's "Give Us Your Money" meeting item.

  by freddo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  if you went to it, (or go later this week) how was it handled?

  just the video or some commentary too?.

  i have heard of a few negative comments from some that attended - one jw even openly said to me "not very encouraging, all they go on about is money lately" and another (a serving elder, no less) said "someone's got to pay for all those lawsuits".

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  I was thinking to myself:

  "Why is it ok to set an automatic donation everymonth on my credit card, (what means I don't even need to think about donating as far as the donation goes in) but if I send a scripture everymonth to my 500 e-mal contacts I still need to go to field service in order to be an active christian?"
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  How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?

  by minimus in

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  up until the very end, my mother refused blood.

  it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!

  i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.

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  I disagree with Konceptual. I don't really know why but the JW take the Blood issue way more seriously than any other teaching from the WT. I have seen not few cases of people who were disfellowshipped or inactive who didn't take blood.

  By the way, I always thought that it's easier to "plan" not to take blood in a previously set surgery, for example. I believe, however, that in case of an accident and they need the blood just to stay alive until the doctors finish the surgery in the spur of the moment, it's not so simple to stick to their "morals".